Bruce Lisker Prison No. D-22678

The Blood Evidence

...Police invented blood where there wasn't any, and mischaracterized what there was...

The afternoon of March 10, 1983, following my interrogation, police took every garment I had been wearing when I found my mother:

  • A long-sleeve plaid shirt;
  • A yellow Led Zeppelin T-shirt;
  • A pair of brown corduroy pants;
  • A pair of blue Pacer brand tennis shoes.

Those four items became the prosecution’s primary physical evidence. Van Nuys SID criminalist Doreen K. Music, asked by Detective Landgren to “EXAMINE CLOTHING FOR BLOOD SPATTERS,” claimed to have identified twenty-seven areas of blood across them — but she used the word “spatters” only once, referring to four specks smaller than two millimeters she said she’d found on my plaid shirt.67 At my April 4 hearing Detective Monsue turned all of it into spatter. He agreed the stains on my T-shirt and pants were “BLOOD SPATTERINGS,” testified they came from someone who “STRUCK SOMEBODY,” and told the court the lab had found them “CIRCULAR, UNIFORMLY SHAPED.”451 Music had reported most of the stains on my pants as “DIFFUSE AND IRREGULAR IN SHAPE,” and every stain on my T-shirt as larger than five millimeters — too large for the blood-spatter category he was invoking.51 Her own report adds that tests on my socks and undershorts, and on the “UNMARKED AREAS OF ITEMS 16, 17, 18, AND 19” — my shoes, plaid shirt, T-shirt and pants — “WERE NEGATIVE.”67 The prosecution’s own bloodstain expert, Ronald Linhart, later examined the clothing microscopically379 and found but a fraction of what Music's report claimed. The record contains eight failures in how that evidence was collected, interpreted, and presented to the jury.

  1. Police invented stains that did not exist, and overstated ones that did:

    1. Monsue testified he personally saw blood spatters on my yellow T-shirt, indicating "THIS SHIRT WAS BEING WORN BY SOMEONE THAT STRUCK SOMEBODY, CAUSING BLOOD TO SPATTER IN THE DIRECTION OF THE CLOTHING AND BEING PICKED UP BY THE CLOTHING AS IT SPATTERED. BASED ON THE BLOOD ON THIS PARTICULAR SHIRT, I WOULD HAVE THE INDICATION THAT HE WAS PROBABLY STANDING OVER SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THE AREAS ON THE SHIRT THAT IT’S ON."52

      Ronald Linhart, examining the shirt visually and chemically, found no blood on it.53

      Officer Douglas Johnson, who'd stood guard directly over me in the patrol car after my arrest, saw no blood on me at all.55

      Monsue’s own follow-up report says the same: no blood on my plaid shirt, yellow T-shirt or pants54 — despite ninety minutes208 across an interrogation table from me.

    2. Monsue testified to spatters on my corduroy pants, indicating "THIS PARTICULAR GARMENT WAS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY WITH SOMEBODY THAT WAS STRUCK WITH AN OBJECT CAUSING THE BLOOD TO SPATTER AND WITH THE BLOOD HITTING THIS PARTICULAR GARMENT."56

      Linhart found no spatters on the pants — only faint contact smears,57 consistent with brushing bloodstained hands against the fabric while trying to aid my mother, or during the ninety minutes Monsue questioned me without letting me wash my hands.267 The prosecution recast those smears as droplets disturbed before drying. Pre-dry smeared spatter leaves patterns forensically distinct from contact transfer,58 a distinction sharper still in corduroy’s raised weave.

  2. The prosecution’s own expert undercut Music. Where she claimed twenty-seven droplets across my clothing, Linhart’s microscope found eight — plus a few contact smears carrying no inculpatory weight.

    1. All eight droplets — six on the right sleeve cuff, one on each shoe — were consistent with innocent actions I had described to Monsue at arrest.71

      1. I told Monsue I had lifted my mother’s fractured right arm72, 127A to check for a pulse, then let it fall when I felt the bone was shattered. Police established that the hardwood floor beneath her was bloodied,593 as were her hands.

        Linhart testified the arm falling back into that bloodstain could have produced both droplets on my shoes73 and spots like those on my plaid cuff.74 The force required, he said, was not great.76 The contact smear at the extreme corner of the right cuff77 — worn unbuttoned and hanging loose78 — is consistent with the cuff brushing that same floor.

      2. Linhart separately testified that cradling my mother’s head and then releasing it could have produced the six cuff droplets on its own.79

        Monsue countered that holding her tightly against me would have soaked the front of the shirt.80 But I had told him I didn’t want to move her — “I DIDN’T WANT TO PICK HER UP”89; “I DIDN’T WANT TO MOVE HER OR TOUCH HER”90 — and that the blood horrified me: “I DIDN’T REALLY WANT TO GET ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, ON MY BODY. BUT THEY THINK I DID IT OR SOMETHING, I DON’T KNOW.”91 Monsue eventually conceded I had never described how I held her — only that I had held her.81 He built a full-body embrace from the imprecise words “hugging” and “holding”660 — spoken by a 17-year-old who had just found his mother dying.

    2. Monsue argued the absence of heavy saturation on my pant knees was inconsistent with my having knelt beside her. Linhart disagreed: light smears were consistent with kneeling in an area that was itself smeared, not pooled.83 Monsue’s own testimony confirmed it — shown a photograph of the floor where she lay (People’s 10-A), he could point to just one stain on the floor larger than a quarter coin.106, 84 My father recalled the same: the only blood on the entry-hall rug was in one corner, its southwest corner107 — the rug Monsue helped him discard that evening.191
  3. In a hypothetical posed to Linhart, prosecutor Phillip Rabichow instructed him to assume I had physically lifted my mother’s body from the floor.88 I never said any such thing — not to Monsue, not to anyone.600, 603 The distortion started with Monsue, who recast my account to suggest I had held her tightly against my body. Rabichow then extended it, asserting I had lifted her clear of the floor. At interrogation I had told Monsue plainly that touching her was the last thing I wanted to do. [Cf. § III (2) (a) (ii) above]
  4. In a second hypothetical, Rabichow directed Linhart to accept four premises as established fact:

    1. A body on the floor of a house, with severe blunt-force head injuries and at least two deep stab wounds to the back.
    2. The person has bled heavily onto their shirt, such that paramedics were required to cut or tear it away.
    3. A lot of blood around the body where it lay — all around on the floor, around the head and the whole upper torso.
    4. One individual wore all the clothing Linhart examined.

    Two of those premises — (b) and (c) — are materially false.

    Premise (b): Paramedic Jay Lovato testified my mother’s shirt was removed simply to assess her injuries — a routine clinical step, not a response to bloodiness.105 The bloodiness of that shirt was the load-bearing pillar of Linhart’s opinion on transfer staining; his understanding of “SIGNIFICANT QUANTITIES”113 of blood on the garment came entirely from Rabichow, since he was never allowed to examine the shirt.114 Without that assumption, he conceded, his opinion “CERTAINLY COULD” have changed.115

    Premise (c): On the stand, shown a photograph of the floor where she lay, Monsue himself could find only one stain on the floor larger than a quarter coin.84

  5. The prosecution kept critical evidence from its own expert, ensuring Linhart could render only a partial, structurally skewed opinion. He was never taken to the crime scene.93 He never examined my mother’s clothing and did no blood-typing,94 though its bloodiness was central to his conclusions. He never examined the entry-hall rug or saw any test results for it.95 He was shown no photographs of my mother’s body or her injuries,96 and he did not use the Coroner’s photographs in forming any opinion.98 He was shown no photographs of me at arrest — pictures that would have documented my complete absence of injury or staining.100 He never spoke with the police photographer about the angles at which the spatter photographs were taken,101 a basic prerequisite for reliable interpretation.102

    In place of evidence he was handed hypotheticals108 — hypotheticals the record shows were materially false. [Cf. § III (3) and (4), above] By controlling what their expert was permitted to see, the prosecution shaped his conclusions before his analysis began.

  6. Conspicuously absent from the entire blood-evidence presentation was any consideration of expiratory blood.

    Expiratory bloodstaining occurs when a victim with airway injury continues to breathe, projecting droplets from the nose and mouth onto surrounding surfaces. Landing on a person nearby, they can closely mimic impact spatter and are easily misidentified as such.116

    My mother was fighting for breath when I found her — making wet, audible sounds, bleeding from her nose and mouth.119 She had sustained fractures to the sinus cavities117 and a stab wound penetrating the left lung,118 which by autopsy had filled her left chest cavity with 1,600 ml of liquid and clotted blood. At my April 4 hearing, Monsue — relaying Dr. Golden’s findings — put the second stab wound “ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BACK”; the autopsy puts both wounds to the left of her spine, six inches and an inch and a half from the midline.118A

    She lay on her side, arms raised toward her face.120 I reached over with my right hand — sleeve cuff unbuttoned, hanging loose121 — and lifted her right wrist to try for a pulse.127A That motion placed my cuff directly in front of her face as she breathed through an injured, bleeding airway. The mechanism for expiratory transfer onto my sleeve could hardly be more direct.

    Forensic literature is unambiguous: where the victim has sustained airway injury, spatter analysis must account for expiratory blood before any conclusion is drawn. No such consideration appears anywhere in this record.

  7. Monsue testified that a faint bloody footprint in the kitchen appeared to lead toward the sink122 — directly below the window I had entered through by removing three louvered panes.123 He argued it contradicted my account, since I had not mentioned returning to the sink or window.

    Police never photographed the impression. [My own account] Monsue’s partner, Detective Landgren, testified under oath that he could not tell whether it had been made by a left or right shoe, or what size the shoe was.124 In 2004, DNA testing established that other bloody footprints recovered from the house were not mine. [My own account] The unphotographed, unpreserved kitchen impression almost certainly was not either.

  8. The crime against my mother was savage and sustained. Her attacker used at least five weapons. She was struck ten or more times about the head at close quarters with a marble-based Little League trophy, producing extensive scalp hemorrhage. She was stabbed five to thirteen times as she thrust her left hand forward in defense, sustaining deep gaping lacerations to that hand. Her skull was fractured by a heavy blow, and her right upper arm was shattered; by Dr. Golden’s theory, a single heavy blow, such as from the exercise bar, could account for both.357 A yellow cord was drawn around her neck with enough force to leave ligature abrasions documented at autopsy. Bloodstains covered walls and floor throughout the house — what Detective Monsue himself, writing to the Board of Prison Terms in 1991, called a “PARTICULARLY BRUTAL” attack.371

    The proposition that I committed this extended, blood-intensive assault and then presented myself to arriving officers within minutes — carrying only the trace blood consistent with a brief, horrified attempt to aid her — defies any rational reading of the physical evidence. I had no injury anywhere on my body. Not a scratch, abrasion, bruise, or mark of any kind.

Footnotes

51.

The term "blood spatter" has a very specific, circumscribed meaning within the realm of forensic science:

Bloodstain Pattern Analysis, by Tom Bevel & Ross Gardner, CRC Press, 1997
Page 55
"SPATTER . . . ARE THOSE STAINS CREATED AS A RESULT OF SOME IMPACT . . . THE IMPACT, WHATEVER ITS NATURE, CAUSES A BREAKUP OF THE BLOOD AT THE SOURCE INTO SMALLER DROPLETS (IMPACT SPATTER). IN CONTRAST, BLOOD DROPLETS WHICH SIMPLY FALL AS A RESULT OF GRAVITY (OFTEN REFERRED TO AS LOW-VELOCITY STAINS) ARE STAINS, NOT SPATTER."
and:
Id. at page 146
"MEDIUM-VELOCITY SPATTER ARE PATTERNS IN WHICH THE PREPONDERANT STAIN SIZE IS GENERALLY 1 TO 4 MM IN DIAMETER, AND WHICH ARE CREATED AS A RESULT OF SOME APPLICATION OF FORCE ... WE GENERALLY ASSOCIATE MEDIUM-VELOCITY SPATTER WITH BLUNT TRAUMA EVENTS, BUT THESE PATTERNS ARE NOT IN AND OF THEMSELVES DEFINED AS BEING ‘ONLY’ THE RESULT OF SUCH EVENTS.";
and:
Id. at page 164, 166
"IN INSTANCES IN WHICH A VICTIM RECEIVES BLEEDING INJURIES TO THE MOUTH, NOSE, THROAT OR LUNGS, AND CONTINUES TO BREATHE, SPATTER MAY ALSO BE PRESENT. SPATTER RESULTING FROM EXPIRATORY BLOOD MAY RANGE FROM HEAVY, LARGE STAINS TO LIGHT, MIST-LIKE STAINS COMPARABLE TO THOSE FOUND IN GUNSHOT SITUATIONS. [And, obviously, medium-velocity spatter, whose size characteristic is the approximate median of the two.] AT TIMES THESE STAINS CAN MISLEAD THE ANALYST, AND THEIR SIMILARITIES [to other stain types, including blunt force spatter] DEMAND PROPER EVALUATION ... EXPIRATORY BLOOD IS MOST OFTEN RECOGNIZED BY CORRELATING THE POSITION OF THE SPATTER WITH BLEEDING INJURIES OBSERVED IN THE NOSE, MOUTH OR AIRWAY."
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52.

Dennis H./William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing, April 4, 1983, page 55

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53.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart
Trial
November 12, 1985 – Page 741-742
Q:"PEOPLE'S 13 WHICH IS A YELLOW T-SHIRT, WHAT EXAMINATION DID YOU MAKE OF THAT?"
A:"I EXAMINED THAT SHIRT VISUALLY FOR STAINS THAT MIGHT BE BLOOD AND FOUND NONE. ...I DID [chemically] TEST A STAIN ... AND FOUND IT TO BE NEGATIVE FOR BLOOD."
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54.
LAPD Follow-Up Investigation, authored by LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
March 13, 1983 – Page 6
"I/O OBSERVED [Bruce's] CLOTHES AND NOTED THAT THERE DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY BLOOD STAINS ON THE SHIRT, T-SHIRT OR PANTS."
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55.
Testimony of LAPD officer Douglas Johnson (No.12878) after standing guard directly over me as I sat beneath him in the rear of the police car parked at the curb
Q:"DID YOU OBSERVE ANY BLOOD ON BRUCE?"
A:"NO."
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56.

Dennis H. William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing, April 4, 1983, page 56

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57.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart
Trial
November 29, 1984 – Page 521
Q:"WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE'S 14 THE PANTS?"
A:"... ALL OF THE STAINS THAT I IDENTIFIED AS BEING BLOOD ARE PRESENT AS LIGHT SURFACE SMEARS..."

That is, no spatter droplets, and therefore not inculpatory.

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58.
Bloodstain Pattern Analysis, (c) 1997, by Tom Bevel & Ross Gardner, CRC Press, page 154
"WHEN OBSERVING THE CONTACT STAIN [as when one wipes a blood source against fabric; bringing the two into contact] UNDER LOW MAGNIFICATION, THE ANALYST WILL OBSERVE BLOOD TRACES ON THE UPPER WEAVE OF THE FABRIC ... THE DEEPER AREAS OF THE WEAVE ARE OFTEN LEFT UNTOUCHED BY THE BLOOD SOURCE ... ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN SPATTER STRIKES THE CLOTHING IT DOES SO IN A PROJECTED FASHION, THE SMALL DROPLETS IMPACT INTO THE WEAVE, RATHER THAN BRUSHING AGAINST IT. WHEN VIEWING A SPATTER STAIN, THE LOWER LEVELS OF THE WEAVE ARE LIKELY TO EXHIBIT STAINING ... THIS ALLOWS THE ANALYST TO DISTINGUISH PROJECTED SPATTER STAINS FROM THOSE CAUSED BY CONTACT."
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67.
LAPD Analyzed Evidence Report
Authored by Doreen K. Music
dated March 14, 1983
In addition to Monsue's elaborate deceptions, Van Nuys SID — specifically Ms. Music — claimed to have found the following twenty-seven (27) separate areas of blood on my clothing: on my Pacer tennis shoes, four bloodstains larger than five millimeters and one bloodstain smaller than two millimeters; on my flannel shirt, four bloodstains larger than five millimeters and one group of four small droplets each less than two millimeters in size; on my brown corduroy pants, six diffuse, irregular bloodstains and three round-shaped bloodstains (i.e., droplets) sized variously from two to five millimeters in diameter; on the yellow "Led Zeppelin" T-shirt, five bloodstains, all larger than five millimeters in size. These findings are at direct odds with State blood expert Linhart's findings [Cf. § III (2)]: he found only eight total blood droplets on the entirety of my clothing. It appears Van Nuys SID represented all the non-blood stains (i.e., automotive grease) as if they were blood. Her report ends: “PRELIMINARY CHEMICAL TESTS INDICATIVE OF BLOOD, PERFORMED ON ITEM 20 (SOCKS + SHORTS) AND UNMARKED AREAS OF ITEMS 16, 17, 18, AND 19 WERE NEGATIVE.”
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71.
Bloodstain Pattern Analysis, (c) 1997, by Tom Bevel & Ross Gardner, CRC Press, page 153
"GIVEN THE PRIOR DISCUSSION IN CHAPTER 4 OF BLOOD'S ADHESIVE QUALITY, IT SHOULD NOT SURPRISE US TO FIND BLOODSTAINS ON THOSE WHO DISCOVER VICTIMS OF CRIME. SUCH WITNESSES MAY TOUCH, CRADLE, OR MOVE THE VICTIM IN SOME FASHION, WHICH IN TURN WILL RESULT IN THE TRANSFER OF BLOOD ONTO THE CLOTHING AND SKIN ... SITUATIONS OF THIS NATURE REQUIRE THE ANALYST TO ATTEMPT TO DISTINGUISH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPATTER CREATED BY VIOLENT DYNAMIC EVENTS AND STAINS CREATED BY MERE INCIDENTAL CONTACT. WHEN FOUND AS A WHOLE PATTERN OR LARGE STAIN, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO ARE EASY TO DISTINGUISH. OFTEN, HOWEVER, THE NATURE OF THESE STAINS ARE QUITE SMALL AND THEIR TRUE SOURCE MAY NOT BE IMMEDIATELY EVIDENT." .

As if speaking directly to this case, the author instructs that blood is to be expected on witnesses who discover victims with bleeding injuries, elaborating that these patterns are not difficult to identify if enough blood is present, but that partial or sparse patterns can confuse the analyst as to true source, as I know happened in my case.

There were only eight droplets on the entirety of my clothing, in contrast with the hundreds of spatter droplets in numerous patterns on the walls of our home [Cf. § III (8)]. Had I been present when the attack/s took place, I would have had bore a similar amount of blood, and I did not.

Moreover, my mom had severe injuries to her airway, and was likely generating 'expiratory blood' when I encountered her and reached in front of her face to raise her arm and take her pulse [Cf. § III (6)]. This appears to be the 'true source' which was not 'immediately apparent' to Mr. Linhart, perhaps due to an over-reliance on detective Monsue's input. (Monsue was presumably in as much contact with Linhart as he was with the Deputy Medical Examiner, SID's Doreen Music, and other analysts and evidence technicians involved in my case.) Linhart was also prevented from properly analyzing much of the blood evidence [Cf. § III (5)].

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72.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Trial
November 4, 1985 – Page 451
Q:"DID HE EVER TELL YOU THAT HE HAD PICKED UP HIS MOTHER'S ARM OR TOUCHED HIS MOTHER'S ARM?"
A:"YES."
Q:"WHAT ARM DID HE TELL YOU HE TOUCHED OR PICKEDUP OF HIS MOTHER'S?"
A:"THE BROKEN ONE."
Q:"DO YOU RECALL WHICH ONE THAT WAS?"
A:"NO, I DO NOT."
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73.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart
Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 481
Q:"IF YOU ARE STANDING AROUND THIS BODY SOMEHOW ... AND ONE OF THE ARMS IS BROKEN, YOU KNOW, JUST REAL LOOSE AND THE ARM IS ABOVE THE GROUND AND THERE IS SOME BLOOD AND MAYBE IT IS A PUDDLE AND MAYBE IT IS A POOL ... AND SOMEBODY PICKS UP THAT ARM TO CHECK THAT ARM AND THAT ARM DROPS DOWN ... AND HITS THE BLOOD AND YOU ARE STANDING NEXT TO IT, COULD THAT CREATE THE TYPE OF BLOOD THAT YOU FOUND ON THE SHOES?"
A:"YES, IT COULD."
Q:"WOULD YOU SAY THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES AS TO HOW THE BLOOD GOT ON THE SHOES?"
A:"YES, THERE ARE. I CANNOT DETAIL [all] THE POSSIBILITIES."
Q:"IS IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO DETAIL THE NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES?"
A:"SURE. BASED UPON THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT I HAVE BY OBSERVING THE STAINS ON THOSE SHOES, I CANNOT DETERMINE AS I STATED EARLIER, DIRECTLY HOW IT GOT THERE."
Q:"WOULD I BE CORRECT IN STATING THAT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS CASE, YOU HAVE INSUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO ACTUALLY MAKE ANY OPINION AS TO CONNECTING IT [i.e., the blood observed on Bruce's clothing,] TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE?"
A:"THAT IS TRUE,"
and:
Trial
November 12, 1985 – Page 747
Q:"IF A HAND WAS PICKED UP AND DROPPED INTO A POOL OF BLOOD OR A SPOT OF BLOOD ON THE FLOOR, COULD THAT PROPEL BLOOD ONTO THE BOTTOM OF THAT SHOE?"
A:"TO THE SIDE OF THE SHOE."
Q:"TO THE SIDE?"
A:"WHERE THE BLOOD DROP APPEARS?"
Q:"YES."
A:"THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE."
Q:"AND WHEN THE HAND HITS THE POOL OF BLOOD ON THE FLOOR, YOU WOULD DESCRIBE THAT AS BLUNT FORCE?"
A:"THAT IS CORRECT.";
and:
Trial
November 29, 1984 – Page 392
Q:"COULD THAT BLOOD SPOT HAVE GOTTEN THERE IF SOMEONE WEARING THE SHOES WERE STANDING NEXT TO THE VICTIM, PICKED UP THEIR ARM, AND IF THERE WAS A POOL OF BLOOD ON THE FLOOR AND THE ARM DROPPED AND BLOOD SPLATTERED UP, COULD THAT RESULT IN A BLOOD DROP?"
A:"IF THE SHOE IS IN A PROPER POSITION SUCH THAT THE BLOOD WAS PROPELLED UP AND THEN FELL BACK DOWN ONTO THE SHOE, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE CONCEIVABLE MANNERS IN WHICH THE SPOT COULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED."
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74.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart
Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 484-485
Q:"NOW, IF A PERSON IS KNEELING DOWN AND THE PERSON PICKED UP THE RIGHT ARM, THE WEARER OF THE SHIRT -- AND WHEN THEY PICKED UP THE ARM AND THE ARM DROPPED AND THE WEARER'S ARM GOES DOWN NATURALLY BY THE FORCE OF ITS WEIGHT AND THE BODY THAT WAS DOWN ITS ARM HITS THE BLOOD, IF IT IS A BIG ENOUGH PUDDLE WILL THE BLOOD GO UP?"
A:"YES, IT CERTAINLY COULD."
Q:"COULD ONE OF THOSE SPOTS ON THE SHIRT BE AS A RESULT OF THAT?"
A:"YES, IT COULD."

Despite the rather awkward questioning, Linhart's testimony clearly accords with the six droplets on my right cuff having been deposited when I lifted and released my mom's arm in taking her pulse, as the arm fell back to the bloodstained floor beside her severely slashed hand and her bleeding face and head, or else in the path of her exhaled, expiratory blood droplets.

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76.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart
Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 504-505
Q:"THE HYPOTHETICAL THAT [Defense Counsel] GAVE ABOUT AN ARM OR A HEAD FALLING ONTO THE FLOOR OR CARPETING [i.e., the Entry Hall rug] AND CAUSING BLOOD TO GO UP AND THEN LAND ON THE SHOES OR THE SHIRT, HOW HARD WOULD SUCH A FORCE HAVE TO BE IN ORDER TO CAUSE THAT TYPE OF A PATTERN OR A SPLASH?" [Defense counsel objected, and was overruled, then Linhart continued]
A:"THE WAY I WOULD PHRASE IT IS: IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A GREAT DEAL OF FORCE."
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77.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart
Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 443
Q:"WOULD YOU TELL US WHAT CONCLUSIONS YOU FORMED ABOUT THE PLAID SHIRT, PEOPLE'S 12?"
A:"I EXAMINED THE ITEM FOR BLOOD. THERE WERE SOME BLOOD SMEARS ON THE FRONT OF THE SHIRT AND ON THE CORNER OF THE RIGHT CUFF BELOW THE THREADS OF A MISSING BUTTON. THE STAINS . . COULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED EITHER BY CONTACT OF THE SHIRT _LIGHTLY WITH THE SOURCE OF THE BLOOD OR BY A DROP HAVING BEEN PLACED UPON THE SHIRT AND THEN SMEARED BEFORE [dry]." ;
and:
Trial
November 12, 1985 – Page 739
A:"... ON THE RIGHT CUFF I FOUND A SMEARED AREA NEAR THE CORNER OF THE CUFF WHICH WAS POSITIVE FOR BLOOD..."
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78.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Dennis H./William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing
April 4, 1983 – Page 72
Q:"... THE OUTER SHIRT, WAS THAT LIKE A PENDLETON-TYPE SHIRT?"
A:"IT WAS MORE OF A FLANNEL, NOT A PENDLETON."
Q:"LONG SLEEVED?"
A:"YES, SIR."
Q:"AND WERE THE SLEEVES BUTTONED AT THE CUFF OR AT THE WRIST?"
A:"NO."
Q:"THEY WERE ROLLED UP --"
A:"NO."
Q:"-- ABOVE THE ELBOW?"
A:"NO."
Q:"HOW WERE THE SLEEVES?"
A:"THEY WERE LONG, EXCEPT THEY WEREN'T BUTTONED."
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79.
Trial, December 3, 1984
Page 485
Q:"LET ME JUST ASK YOU THIS: IF A PERSON IS DOWN ON THEIR KNEES JUST SO YOU CAN SEE IT AND THEY PICK UP THE PERSON'S HEAD WITH THEIR HAND AND THE HEAD GOES DOWN T00 FAST, THEY ARE TRYING TO BE CAREFUL OR THEY ARE SHIFTING WITH THE BODY AND THERE IS BLOOD UNDERNEATH, THERE IS A POOL OF BLOOD AND BLOOD UNDERNEATH THE HEAD, AND IF THE HEAD LANDS WILL IT SPLASH UP BLOOD ALSO?"
A:"YES, IT COULD."
Q:"COULD THAT ALSO BE THE TYPE OF BLOOD THAT IS ON THE SLEEVE?"
A:"THAT COULD CONCEIVABLY PRODUCE STAINS SUCH AS APPEAR HERE."
and:
Trial, December 3, 1984
Page 480-481
Q:"IF SOMEBODY WAS LAYING ON THE GROUND IN SOME BLOOD ... AND YOU PICKED UP THEIR HEAD WITH THE PALM OF YOUR HAND ... AND CRADLED THEIR HEAD IN YOUR HAND, WOULD YOU EXPECT TO FIND A LOT OF BLOOD ON THIS SHIRT?"
A:"IF THAT IS THE TOTALITY OF THE EXERCISE AND THE SHIRT CUFF WAS NOT DOWN INTO THE AREA IN CONTACT WITH THE HEAD, NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE EXPECTED TO TRANSFER A LOT OF BLOOD TO THE SHIRT."
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80.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Preliminary Hearing, December 7, 1983
Pages 251–252 (also reproduced in the Clerk's Transcript – Supplemental, pages 317–318)
A:"... ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTED PARTICULARLY ABOUT HIS CLOTHING, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS SOME BLOOD ON THE SHIRT SLEEVES ON THE SHIRT, BASED UPON HIS DESCRIPTION OF HER INJURIES AND THE AMOUNT OF BLOOD THAT HE SAW, IF HE HAD IN FACT BENT DOWN AND CRADLED HER IN HIS ARM, IT WOULD MAKE ME BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT DEAL MORE BLOOD ON THE ARMS AND EVEN THE CHEST PORTION OF HIS SHIRT, WHICH THERE WAS NOT."

Here, Monsue claims the quantity of blood which I supposedly reported seeing on my mom's shirt didn't accord with the lack of blood on my own. But why would he rely on my account of the bloodiness of my mom's shirt when the shirt remained in evidence throughout my trials. Have the shirt itself examined! And I never told Monsue or anyone else that I'd "cradled" my mom in my arms. Yet because it buoyed his false case to trumpet the claim, he did so ceaselessly throughout my case.

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81.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R.Monsue (No. 20927)
Dennis H./William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing
April 4, 1983 – Page 42
Q:"ALL RIGHT, DID HE TELL YOU HOW HE WENT ABOUT HOLDING HER?"
A:“HE DIDN'T - HE JUST SAID, 'HOLD HER,' AND HE INDICATED HE REACHED FOR HER AS WE TALKED."
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83.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart
Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 471-472
Q:"IF A PERSON'S KNEES HIT THE CARPET BUT IT WAS NOT A POOL OF BLOOD, BUT THERE WERE BLOOD TRACES IN THE CARPET, THE PERSON WASN'T ACTUALLY KNEELING IN THE POOL OF BLOOD, WHAT WOULD YOU SUSPECT WOULD BE ON THEIR PANTS? TRACES OF BLOOD?"
A:"IF THE PANTS BEING WORN CONTACTED A TRACE OF BLOOD THAT IS STILL WET ON THE CARPET, IT WOULD BE REASONABLE FOR A SMALL QUANTITY OF THAT BLOOD TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE PANTS."
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84.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927), examining People's 10-A, a photograph of the entry hall planter and floor area where my mother lay before being transported to Encino Hospital
Q:"DO YOU SEE LARGE AMOUNTS OF BLOOD ON THE FLOOR [in] THAT PHOTOGRAPH?"
A:"COULD YOU DEFINE LARGE FOR ME?"
Q:"BIGGER THAN A QUARTER?"
A:"THERE ARE TWO OR THREE HERE THAT I COULD SEE."
Q:"WHEN YOU SAY THERE ARE TWO OR THREE THAT YOU COULD SEE, WOULD YOU POINT TO THE AREAS IN THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT?"
A:"ONE IS ON THE PLANTER." [Prosecutor Rabichow interrupts to request a description of the spot, on the record]
Q:"WHEN YOU ARE POINTING TO THE FIRST ONE, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A SPOT THAT YOU SEE ON THE BRICK TYPE AREA THAT YOU DESCRIBED AS THE PLANTER?"
A:"THAT IS CORRECT."
Q:"SO THAT SPOT IS NOT ON THE FLOOR. IT IS ON THE PLANTER; IS THAT CORRECT?"
A:"THAT IS CORRECT." [Prosecutor Rabichow describes the location of the first spot in the photograph as "in the lower-right corner approximately half inch, three quarters of an inch from the right-hand border"]
Q:"WOULD YOU POINT TO THE NEXT SPOT THAT YOU SAY IS ON THAT PHOTOGRAPH THAT IS LARGER THAN A QUARTER?"
A:"I CAN SEE DIRECTLY BELOW THE NUMERAL 8 THERE APPEARS ON THE PHOTOGRAPH RIGHT BELOW IT A SPOT THAT APPEARS TO BE APPROXIMATELY THAT SIZE OR LARGER, RIGHT HERE."
Q:"OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPOTS?"
A:"THERE ARE ADDITIONAL BLOOD SPOTS ON THE FLOOR."
Q:"BUT NONE LARGER THAN A QUARTER; IS THAT CORRECT?"
A:"NOT THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH."

So, only one blood spot larger than a quarter was visible in the photo of the entry hall — near where my mother lay when I discovered her and knelt at her side — in sharp contrast with Monsue's claim of large spots in the entry hall [Cf. § IV (2) (b)].

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88.

Taking Monsue's already exaggerated "body hug" scenario to an even more ridiculous degree.

↩
89.

Monsue/Lisker Interrogation, March 10, 1983, page 10

↩
90.

Monsue/Lisker Interrogation, March 10, 1983, page 16

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91.

Monsue/Lisker Interrogation, March 10, 1983, page 10

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93.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 471
Q:"DID YOU, YOURSELF, AT ANY TIME WALK THIS CRIME SCENE TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE?"
A:"I HAVE NEVER BEEN AT THAT LOCATION."
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94.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 469-470
Q:"THE CLOTHING ON MRS. DORKA LISKER ON THAT DATE IN QUESTION, DID YOU OBSERVE THE BLOUSE YOURSELF?"
A:"NO, I DID NOT."
Q:"DID YOU OBSERVE ANY UNDERGARMENTS WORN BY MRS. DORKA LISKER ON THAT DATE IN QUESTION?"
A:"NO, I DID NOT."
Q:"DID YOU OBSERVE ANY SLACKS OR SKIRT OR DRESS WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN WORN BY MRS. DORKA LIKSER [sic] ON MARCH 10, 1983?"
and:
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
Id. at page 483
Q:"DID YOU BLOOD TYPE ANY OF THE BLOOD ON ANY OF THE ITEMS OF CLOTHING?"
A:"NO, I DID NOT."
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95.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 468-469
Q:"DID YOU OBSERVE THIS CARPET THAT WAS ALLEGED TO HAVE THIS POOL OF BLOOD ON IT?"
A:"THE CARPET ITSELF?"
Q:"YES."
A:"NO, I DID NOT."
Q:"DID YOU RUN ANY CHEMICAL TESTS ON THIS CARPET?"
Q:"DID ANY SCIENTIST PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY INFORMATION OF ANY CHEMICAL TESTS RUN ON THIS CARPET?"
A:"NO."
Q:"WAS THAT CARPET TAKEN INTO EVIDENCE AND DID YOU OBSERVE IT IN THE POLICE STATION AS A PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN EVALUATING YOUR OPINION BASED ON THOSE HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS THAT MR. RABICHOW PROPOSED TO YOU EARLIER?"
A:"OKAY. THE FIRST PART AS TO WHETHER IT WAS TAKEN INTO EVIDENCE, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT. THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION AS TO WHETHER I OBSERVED IT, I DID NOT."
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96.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 468
Q:"IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, DID YOU SEE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE BODY IN ITS POSITION IN WHICH IT WAS FOUND AT THE LOCATION ON HUSTON STREET?"
A:"NO, I DID NOT."
and:
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
Id. at page 468
Q:"YOU, YOURSELF, DID NOT SEE THE BODY IN A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN WITH BLOOD ALL AROUND IT?"
A:"NO, I DID NOT."
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98.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 495
Q:"DID YOU LOOK AT ANY CORONER'S PHOTOGRAPHS IN THIS MATTER IN ORDER TO BASE YOUR OPINION TO COME UP WITH YOUR OPINION?"
A:"NO, I DID NOT INCORPORATE THE CORONER'S PHOTOGRAPHS INTO ANY OPINIONS THAT I REACHED IN THIS CASE."
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100.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 481
A:"NO, THEY DID NOT."
↩
101.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 486
Q:"DID YOU TALK TO THE PHOTOGRAPHER WHO TOOK THAT PICTURE CONCERNING THE ANGLE IN WHICH THE PHOTOGRAPHER TOOK THE PICTURE PRIOR TO ANALYZING THAT PHOTOGRAPH?"
A:"I DID NOT TALK TO THE PHOTOGRAPHER."
↩
102.
Bloodstain Pattern Analysis, by Tom Bevel & Ross Gardner, CRC Press, 1997
Page 209
"CAMERA ORIENTATION IS CRUCIAL IN THE CLOSE-UP . . . PLACE THE FILM PLANE PARALLEL WITH THE PLANE YOU ARE PHOTOGRAPHING. ONCE THAT'S DONE, FILL THE VIEWFINDER WITH THE SUBJECT. BOTH OF THESE CONCERNS ARE IMPERATIVE IF THE ANALYST WANTS CLEAR, UNDISTORTED IMAGES OF THE PATTERNS AND STAINS."
↩
105.
Testimony of LAFD paramedic Jay Lovato, Trial
November 29, 1984 – Page 330
A:"... I CUT HER CLOTHES OFF. HER TOP ALL THE WAY OFF AND HER BRA OFF TO EXPOSE THE STAB WOUNDS SO I COULD SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD AND ALSO TO UNCOVER ANY OTHER TRAUMA SHE MIGHT HAVE HAD EITHER TO THE SIDES OF HER BODY AND ALSO TO HER CHEST AFTER I ROLLED HER OVER."
↩
106.

Literally, the 25 cents U.S. coin, which is exactly 24 millimeters (15/16 inches) in diameter.

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107.
Testimony of Robert B. Lisker
Trial
November 13, 1985 – Page 919
Q:"AND DID [the entry hall carpet] APPEAR TO HAVE BLOOD ALL OVER IT?"
A:"NO. IT HAD BLOOD IN ONE CORNER."
and:
Testimony of Robert B. Lisker
Trial
November 14, 1985 – Page 947
Q:". . . DID YOU SEE ANY DROPS OF BLOOD ON ANY OTHER PART OF THE CARPET?"
A:"NONE."
and:
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Dennis H./William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing
April 4, 1983 – Page 13
A:"…AND ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THAT RUG THERE WAS A BLUISH-GREEN TOWEL AND A LARGE QUANTITY OF BLOOD…"
↩
108.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 499
A:". . I ACCEPTED THE FACTS HE [prosecutor Rabichow] GAVE ME IN THE HYPOTHETICAL IN ORDER TO ANSWER THE QUESTION."
↩
113.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial,-December 3, 1984
Page 499
A:"IN THE HYPOTHETICAL INFORMATION THAT I RECEIVED I GATHERED THAT THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT QUANTITIES OF BLOOD ON THE SHIRT. IF THE BLOOD ON THE SHIRT IS SPARSE, THEN TO CONCLUDE THERE WOULD BE TRANSFER I WOULD TO HAVE [sic] INCLUDED IN THE HYPOTHETICAL THE AREA OF CONTACT BETWEEN THE GARMENT OF THE WEARER AND THE GARMENT OF THE INJURED PERSON."
Q:"HAVE EITHER DETECTIVE MONSUE OR MR. RABICHOW SHOWN YOU THIS SHIRT OR BLOUSE?"
A:"I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE SEEN THAT."
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114.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart
Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 469
And:
Q:"THE CLOTHING ON MRS. LISKER ON THAT DATE IN QUESTION, DID YOU OBSERVE THE BLOUSE YOURSELF?"
A:"NO, I DID NOT."
Q:"DID YOU SEE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE BLOUSE?"
A:"NOT THAT I RECALL."
Q:"DID YOU RECEIVE A REPORT FROM ANY SCIENTIST [or] ANALYSIS FOR THE AMOUNT OF BLOOD ON THAT BLOUSE THAT MRS. DORKA LISKER WORE ON MARCH 10, 1983?"
A:"NO, I DID NOT."
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115.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
December 3, 1984 – Page 500
BY MR. MULCAHY:"IF THE BLOODY VICTIM'S SHIRT WAS REMOVED FROM THAT EQUATION WOULD THAT AFFECT YOUR OPINION?"
A:"YES, IT CERTAINLY COULD."
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116.
Bloodstain Pattern Analysis, (c) 1997, by Tom Bevel & Ross Gardner, CRC Press, page 62-64
"EXPIRATORY BLOOD: BLOOD FORCED FROM THE MOUTH, NOSE, OR RESPIRATORY SYSTEM UNDER PRESSURE, RESULTING IN SPATTER. IN SITUATIONS WHICH RESULT IN MOUTH, THROAT OR LUNG INJURIES A SPATTER PATTERN IS OFTEN CREATED WHICH MAY MIMIC IMPACT SPATTER FROM OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES [such as from any ,mother is blunt force injuries]. THE MECHANICAL PROCESS OF BREATHING ACTS ON THE BLOOD AS IT IS INTRODUCED INTO THEM AIRWAYS OF A LIVING. VICTIM. . . . THE RANGES OF SIZE OF EXPIRATORY STAINS CAN MIMIC BOTH MEDIUM- AND HIGH-VELOCITY SPATTER PATTERNS. A FAILURE TO RECOGNIZE EXPIRATORY BLOOD AND ITS MISIDENTIFICATION AS SPATTER FROM ANOTHER EVENT CAN EASILY CLOUD THE RESULTING ANALYSIS. "
and:
Id. at page 164-166
"IN INSTANCES IN WHICH A VICTIM RECEIVES BLEEDING INJURIES TO THE MOUTH, NOSE, THROAT OR LUNGS, AND CONTINUES TO BREATH; SPATTER MAY ALSO BE PRESENT. SPATTER RESULTING FROM EXPIRATORY BLOOD MAY RANGE FROM HEAVY LARGE STAINS TO LIGHT MIST-LIKE STAINS COMPARABLE TO THOSE FOUND IN GUNSHOT SITUATIONS. AT TIMES THESE STAINS CAN MISLEAD THE ANALYST, AND THEIR SIMILARITIES DEMAND PROPER EVALUATION." ... "EXPIRATORY BLOOD IS MOST OFTEN RECOGNIZED BY CORRELATING THE POSITION OF THE SPATTER WITH BLEEDING INJURIES OBSERVED IN THE NOSE, MOUTH, OR AIRWAY."
and:
Id. at page 168
"... EXPIRATORY BLOOD ... CAN PRODUCE PATTERNS THAT AN ANALYST CAN MISIDENTIFY AS ... IMPACT SPATTER."
↩
117.
Los Angeles County Autopsy Report No. 83-3174 (Lisker, Dorka G.)
Page 6
"CRANIOCEREBRAL INJURIES: 1. THE LACERATIONS OF THE BACK OF THE SCALP HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED. THE SUTURED LACERATION OF THE RIGHT FOREHEAD HAS BEEN DESCRIBED WITH THE ASSOCIATED DEFECT IN THE FRONTAL BONE EXTENDING DOWN TO THE SINUSES AND ANTERIOR CRANIAL FOSSA. THERE IS EXTENSIVE DEEP SCALP AND SUBGALEAL HEMORRHAGE WITH HEMORRHAGE INTO THE LEFT AND RIGHT TEMPORAL MUSCLES. A LARGE DEFECT IS FOUND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE FRONTAL BONE CROSSING THE MIDLINE TO THE LEFT SIDE AND EXTENDING POSTERIORLY TO THE RIGHT PARIETAL BONE. THE FRONTAL SINUSES ARE VISIBLE AND BRAIN AND DURA ARE ALSO VISIBLE."
and:
Los Angeles County Autopsy Report No. 83-3174 (Lisker, Dorka G.)
Page 6
"2. THERE ARE COMMINUTED FRACTURES OF THE BASE OF THE SKULL AND THE LEFT AND RIGHT ANTERIOR CRANIAL FOSSA WITH HEMORRHAGIC ORBITAL TISSUE [i.e., the tissue about the eyes] VISIBLE. COMMINUTED FRACTURES ARE EVIDENT IN THE SELLA TURCICA, BOTH LONGITUDINAL AND TRANSVERSE. THERE ARE BILATERAL COMMINUTED FRACTURES OF THE LEFT AND RIGHT SPHENOID WINGS. A HINGE FRACTURE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BASE OF THE SKULL EXTENDS DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE RIGHT PETROUS TEMPORAL BONE, INTERSECTS WITH THE FRACTURE OF THE SELLA TURCICA, AND THEN CONTINUES ANTERIORLY ALONG THE SPHENOID RIDGE INTO THE CRIBRIFORM PLATE. ON THE UNDERSURFACE OF THE CALVARIUM THERE IS A LINEAR FRACTURE EXTENDING FROM THE DEFECT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CALVARIUM DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE CORONAL SUTURE TO THE LEFT PARIETAL BONE. SUTURES ARE FOUND IN THE FALX CEREBRI AND ALONG THE MIDLINE OF THE DURA (SURGICAL PROCEDURE)."

In short, the massive fractures of the skull and facial bones extended to and included the sinuses, through which my mother continued to breathe after I discovered her. [Note #119]

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118.
Los Angeles County Autopsy Report No. 83-3174 (Lisker, Dorka G.)
Page 7
"DESCRIPTION OF STAB WOUNDS: 1. ON THE BACK OF THE BODY, 11 INCHES BELOW THE TOP OF THE HEAD AND 6 INCHES TO THE LEFT OF THE MIDLINE THERE IS NOTED A VERTICALLY ORIENTED STAB WOUND. THIS MEASURES 5/8 INCH IN LENGTH AND IS APPROXIMATELY TRIANGULAR IN CONFIGURATION. A FLATTENED OR DULL BORDER IS SEEN SUPERIORLY, 1/32 INCH IN LENGTH. THE INFERIOR BORDER IS POINTED. NO OTHER PATTERNED ABRASION OR CONTUSION IS SEEN. SUBSEQUENT AUTOPSY SHOWS THAT THE WOUND PASSED THROUGH THE SKIN, THE SOFT TISSUE, THE 4TH INTERCOSTAL SPACE, AND PRODUCES A SMALL LACERATION OR TEAR OF THE PLEURA WITH SURROUNDING HEMORRHAGE. THE TEAR MEASURES 1/8 INCH IN MAXIMAL LENGTH. THE WOUND PATH DOES NOT PASS INTO THE LUNG. THE ENTIRE WOUND PATH IS INFILTRATED WITH FRESH HEMORRHAGE AND THE DIRECTION [of the wound path] IS BACK TO FRONT AND DOWNWARD AT AN ACUTE ANGLE, APPROXIMATELY 30 DEGREES FROM THE VERTICAL. THE TOTAL LENGTH OF THE WOUND PATH IS APPROXIMATELY 3-1/2 INCHES."
and:
Los Angeles County Autopsy Report No. 83-3174 (Lisker, Dorka G.)
Page 7
"2. ON THE BACK OF THE TORSO, 15 INCHES BELOW THE TOP OF THE HEAD AND 1-1/2 INCHES TO THE LEFT OF THE MIDLINE THERE IS NOTED A DIAGONALLY ORIENTED STAB WOUND. THIS MEASURES 3/4 INCH IN LENGTH WITH THE FLATTENED OR SQUARED OFF PORTION INFERIORLY LESS THAN 1/32 INCH. NO OTHER PATTERNED ABRASION OR CONTUSION IS EVIDENT. SUBSEQUENT AUTOPSY SHOWS THE WOUND PASSED THROUGH THE SKIN, THE SOFT TISSUE, THE 5TH LEFT INTERCOSTAL SPACE NICKING THE SUPERIOR BORDER OF THE LEFT 6TH RIB. PASSING THROUGH THE RIB CAGE THE LENGTH OF THE STAB WOUND IS 5/8 INCH WITH THE SQUARED OFF PORTION EVIDENT INFERIORLY. IT THEN PASSES INTO THE LOWER LOBE OF THE LEFT LUNG WHERE THE WOUND MEASURES 1/2 INCH IN MAXIMAL LENGTH. THE ENTIRE WOUND PATH IS INFILTRATED WITH FRESH HEMORRHAGE AND THERE IS 1600 ML OF LIQUID AND CLOTTED BLOOD IN THE LEFT CHEST CAVITY. THE DIRECTION OF THE WOUND PATH IS BACK TO FRONT, AND DOWNWARD AT AN APPROXIMATELY 45 DEGREE ANGLE FROM THE VERTICAL. THE TOTAL LENGTH OF THE WOUND PATH IS 4-1/2 TO 5 INCHES."
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118A.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Dennis H./William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing
April 4, 1983
A:"... HE INDICATED TO US THAT HE FOUND TWO STAB WOUNDS IN HER BACK. ONE STAB WOUND, HE INDICATED, CAME FROM A DOWNWARD MOTION. IT PUNCTURED ONE OF THE LUNGS AND CAUSED A GREAT DEAL OF INTERIOR BLEEDING ..."
Q:"WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER STAB WOUND IN THE BACK?"
A:"THE OTHER STAB WOUND, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BACK, IT DID NOT PENETRATE THE LUNG. IT PENETRATED THE CHEST CAVITY, BUT DID NOT PENETRATE THE LUNG."
compare:
Los Angeles County Autopsy Report No. 83-3174 (Lisker, Dorka G.)
Description of Stab Wounds
"1. ON THE BACK OF THE BODY, 11 INCHES BELOW THE TOP OF THE HEAD AND 6 INCHES TO THE LEFT OF THE MIDLINE THERE IS NOTED A VERTICALLY ORIENTED STAB WOUND. ..."
"2. ON THE BACK OF THE TORSO, 15 INCHES BELOW THE TOP OF THE HEAD AND 1-1/2 INCHES TO THE LEFT OF THE MIDLINE THERE IS NOTED A DIAGONALLY ORIENTED STAB WOUND. ..."

Both stab wounds were to the left of my mother's spine. Relaying the medical examiner's findings under oath less than a month after the autopsy, Monsue could not keep even their location straight.

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119.
Monsue/Lisker Interrogation Transcript, March 10, 1983
Page 10
Lisker:"AND DOING THAT SLURPING NOISE AND THEN LIKE SHE GOES, OH, SHE GOES TO GET ON HER BACK, AND I SAY NO, MOM, NO. STAY ON YOUR SIDE AND JUST LET IT DRAIN, LET THAT, THAT BLOOD JUST DRAIN. I DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE HER OR TOUCH HER. BUT, HAD SHE WENT LIKE THIS ON HER BACK AND I FIGURE SHE GONNA, YOU KNOW, SUFFOCATE..."
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120.
Monsue/Lisker Interrogation Transcript, March 10, 1983
Page 7
Lisker:"... SHE WAS ON HER SIDE, SHE WAS LIKE THIS, WITH HER ARMS LIKE UP TO HER FACE. JUST LIKE THAT JUST LIKE THAT."
↩
121.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927), Dennis H./William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing, April 4, 1983
Page 72
Q:"AND WAS -- DID YOU TAKE THE OTHER -- THE OUTER SHIRT, WAS THAT LIKE A PENDLETON-TYPE SHIRT?"
A:"IT WAS MORE OF A FLANNEL, NOT A PENDLETON."
Q:"LONG SLEEVED?"
A:"YES, SIR."
Q:"AND WERE THE SLEEVES BUTTONED AT THE CUFF OR AT THE WRIST?"
A:"NO."
Q:"THEY WERE ROLLED UP --"
A:"NO."
Q:"-- ABOVE THE ELBOW?"
A:"NO."
Q:"HOW WERE THE SLEEVES?"
A:"THEY WERE LONG, EXCEPT THEY WEREN'T BUTTONED."
↩
122.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927), Dennis H./William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing, April 4, 1983
Page 44-45
Q:"NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE MINOR'S STORY ABOUT GOING TO THE KNIFE CABINET, WAS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU HAD SEEN IN THE BLOODY FOOTPRINTS [sic] IN THE KITCHEN?"
A:"IT APPEARED TO ME, WHEN I LOOKED AT PARTICULARLY THIS NUMBER '11' FOOTPRINT HERE, IT WAS LINED UP PERFECTLY WITH THE SINK AS IF SOMEONE EITHER STEPPED TOWARD THE SINK OR WAS STANDING RIGHT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF IT. THE FRONT OF THE SHOE WAS POINTED DIRECTLY TO THE SINK AND THE WINDOW, AND JUST ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF OR SO AWAY FROM THE CABINET BY THE SINK."
↩
123.
LAPD Follow-Up Investigation
March 13, 1983 – Page 4
"DETECTIVES EXAMINED THE KITCHEN WINDOW ... THERE WERE THREE LOUVERED PANES REMOVED FROM THE WINDOW."
↩
124.
Testimony of LAPD detective Howard W. Landgren (No. 13668), Preliminary Hearing, October 5, 1983
Page 44-45
Q:"THERE IS ONE FOOTPRINT THAT YOU FOUND IN THE KITCHEN IN FRONT OF THE SINK?"
A:"YES."
Q:"THAT WAS POINTED IN THE DIRECTION OF THE SINK?"
A:"YES."
Q:"WAS THAT THE LEFT FOOT OR RIGHT FOOT OR COULD YOU TELL?"
A:"I WAS UNABLE TO DETERMINE."
Q:"... HOW MUCH OF A FOOTPRINT WAS IT THAT YOU OBSERVED IN FRONT OF THE SINK?"
A:"IT WOULD APPEAR TO BE THE BALL OR THE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE BALL PORTION OF THE FOOT. THE REAR OF THE TOES AND IN FRONT OF THE ARCH."
and:
Testimony of LAPD detective Howard W. Landgren (No. 13668), Preliminary Hearing, October 5, 1983
Page 45
Q:"FROM WHAT YOU OBSERVED OF THE FOOTPRINT IN THE KITCHEN, YOU COULDN'T REALLY TELL WHAT SIZE FOOT THAT WAS?"
A:"NO."
and:
Testimony of LAPD detective Howard W. Landgren (No. 13668), Preliminary Hearing, October 5, 1983
Page 46
Q:"AND THE FOOTPRINT IN THE KITCHEN THAT YOU OBSERVED, DID YOU SEE RIDGES IN THAT FOOTPRINT?"
A:"THERE WAS A WAVY PATTERN."
Q:"HOW MANY WAVY PATTERNS DO YOU RECALL OBSERVING ON THAT PARTICULAR FOOTPRINT IN FRONT OF THE KITCHEN SINK?"
A:"I DON'T RECALL."
↩
127A.
Monsue/Lisker Interrogation Transcript, March 10, 1983
Page 5
Lisker:"LIKE THAT NOISE LIKE THAT, SLURPPING [sic], (UNINTELLIGIBLE WORD) NOSE RIGHT HERE AND HER EAR WAS ALMOST CUT OFF LIKE RIGHT HERE. THEN I WENT TO TAKE HER PULSE AND HER ARM WAS LIKE THIS, RIGHT HERE. AND SO I LIFTED HER [arm] UP, IT WAS, IT WAS COMPLETELY SHATTERED AND, IT MUST BE BECAUSE IT MOVED SO FREE. I DIDN'T EVEN FEEL ANYTHING, LIKE BONES AGAINST BONES..."
↩
191.
Testimony of Robert B. Lisker, Trial
November 13, 1985 – Page 919-920
Q:"NOW, DID YOU DO ANYTHING WITH THAT CARPET ON MARCH 10, 1983?"
A:"YES, I DID."
Q:"AND DID ANYBODY HELP YOU DO ANYTHING WITH THAT CARPET ON MARCH 10, 1983?"
A:"YES, THEY DID."
Q:"WHO HELPED YOU?"
A:"DETECTIVE MONSUE."
Q:"WAS ANYBODY ELSE PRESENT?"
A:"DETECTIVE LANDGREN." ...
Q:"WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE CARPET?"
A:"THE CARPET WAS ROLLED UP ALONG WITH THE UNDERLINER AND PUT IN THE TRASH CAN."
↩
208.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927), Preliminary Hearing
December 7, 1983 – Page 258
A:"THE INITIAL INTERVIEW I WOULD ESTIMATE TO BE ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF..."
↩
267.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Trial
November 5, 1985 – Page 477
Q:"WHEN BRUCE ASKED YOU ABOUT WASHING HIS HANDS PRIOR TO COMMENCING THE INTERVIEW, WHY DIDN'T YOU LET HIM GO WASH HIS HANDS?"
A:"BECAUSE I WAS IN THE A PROCESS OF CONDUCTING AN INTERVIEW."
and:
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Trial
November 4, 1985 – Page 414
Q:"… BRUCE HAD NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WASH HIS HANDS PRIOR TO YOUR COMPLETING THAT TAPED INTERVIEW; IS THAT CORRECT?"
A:"THAT IS CORRECT."

Strikingly little compassion for a youngster whom Monsue steadfastly maintained had been no worse off than being considered a possible witness to the attack on his mother. During the interrogation, Monsue used the prospect and promise of my finally being able to wash my mother's gore from my hands as a tool of influence as we discussed my waiving my Miranda rights. He dangled the hand-washing, further linked to my actual release from custody, like a Constitutionally tainted carrot. Consider:

Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Trial (On Motion)
November 9, 1984 – Page 104, where Defense Counsel reads from the Monsue/Lisker Interrogation Transcript, March 10, 1983 – Page 26:
"LISKER SAYS, 'CAN I WASH MY HANDS?' MONSUE SAYS, 'IN A FEW MINUTES, YEAH, WHEN WE ARE DONE TALKING I WILL LET YOU GO DOWN AND WASH THEM. AND SO YOU WILL GIVE UP YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT AND YOU ARE GOING TO TALK TO ME WITHOUT — AND YOU DON'T WANT AN ATTORNEY. RIGHT NOW; IS THAT CORRECT?'"

Monsue told me I could wash my hands after we talked, but in order to talk I first had to waive my rights. That's called coercion. Against an adult, able to fend for himself, it would nevertheless have been illegal. But against me — a teenager, ill-equipped to deal with such intense pressure from an adult authority figure, having minutes earlier been completely blasted emotionally by the discovery of my brutalized, bloody, and dying mother — it is reprehensible.

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357.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Dennis H./William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing
April 4, 1983 – Page 25-27
Q:"... DID THE DOCTOR TIE THAT PARTICULAR BLOW INTO ANY OTHER INJURY TO THE BODY?"
A:"YES. THE VICTIM HAD A FRACTURED RIGHT UPPER ARM. ... I HAD ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE ARM, THE BREAK TO THE ARM COULD HAVE RESULTED FROM ONE BLOW AND THE SAME BLOW FROM THE HEAD. HE THEORIZED THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE THAT HER ARM COULD HAVE BEEN UP ON THE FIREPLACE SINCE IT WAS ABOUT A FOOT OR SO OFF THE FLOOR AND THAT THAT ONE BLOW COULD ACCOUNT FOR BOTH THE BROKEN ARM AND, ALSO, THE DAMAGE TO HER FACE ..."
A:"... AND WHEN THE BLOW FROM THE EXERCISE BAR CAME DOWN, BASED ON WHAT THE DOCTOR INDICATED, THAT ONE BLOW FRACTURED THE ARM ..."
and:
LAPD Follow-Up Investigation
March 13, 1983 – Page 10
"... VERY CONSISTENT WITH VICTIM'S INJURIES TO HER RIGHT ARM AND THE SKULL FRACTURE TO HER FACE AND A LARGE, HEAVY INSTRUMENT (SUCH AS THE EXERCISE BAR) STRIKING HER IN A DOWNWARD MOTION."
↩
371.
Comments by Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927) to the California Board of Prison Terms, on its Notice of Hearing dated November 4, 1991
"THIS CASE WAS A PARTICULARLY BRUTAL MURDER OF THE INMATE'S ELDERLY MOTHER, WHO WAS BEATEN TO DEAD [sic] WITH A THREE FOOT ONG [sic] METAL EXERCSIE [sic] BAR. THE INMATE WENT TO HIS MOTHER'S HOME AND WAS CAUGHT BY HER GOING THROUGH HER PURSE. THE INMATE HIDE [sic] APPROXIMATELY $140.00 HE HAD TAKEN FROM HIS MOTHER'S PURSE, THEN SET ABOUT TO MAKE THE CRIME SCENE APPEARS [sic] AS IF A BURGLAR HAD BROKEN INTO THE RESIDENCE TO COVER HIS CRIMES. "
↩
379.
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
November 12, 1985 – Pages 734, 737-739
A:"THAT DROPLET WAS NEAR THE SMEARED AREA. I AM UNABLE TO LOCATE IT WITHOUT MAGNIFICATION RIGHT NOW."
Q:"ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU EXAMINED [the shoes] DID YOU USE MAGNIFICATION?"
A:"YES, I DID."
and:
Testimony of State blood expert Ronald R. Linhart, Trial
Id. at page 742-744
A:"THERE ARE SOME OTHER STAINS THAT ARE SMALLER AND A BIT LIGHTER IN APPEARANCE THAT MIGHT NOT BE TRULY VISIBLE WITHOUT SOME MAGNIFICATION; SUCH AS, WITH A LOW POWER MICROSCOPE."
Q:"ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THERE WERE SOME STAINS NOW THAT TESTED POSITIVE FOR BLOOD, ARE THEY HEAVY ENOUGH TO BE VISIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE?"
A:"THEY MIGHT BE WITH CAREFUL OBSERVATION. I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO A MICROSCOPE AND RETEST THEM TO SPOT THEM PRECISELY FOR YOU."
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451.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Dennis H./William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing, April 4, 1983, page 52-53
Q BY MR. TRAPP:"DID YOU EXAMINE THE SHIRT THAT THE MINOR HAD BEEN WEARING, THE YELLOW SHIRT, AT THE TIME YOU INTERVIEWED HIM?"
A:"YES."
Q:"AND SUBSEQUENTLY DID YOU HAVE THE SHIRT ANALYZED BY YOUR LAB FOR THE PRESENCE OF BLOOD?"
A:"YES, SIR, I DID."
Q:"AND DID THE LAB INFORM YOU THAT THEY HAD IN FACT FOUND BLOOD?"
A:"YES, SIR, THEY DID."
Q:"SPATTERINGS?"
A:"YES."
Q:"ARE THOSE BLOOD SPATTERINGS INDICATED AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS ON PEOPLE'S [Exhibits] 6, 7 AND 8?"
A:"YES, SIR, THEY ARE."
Q:"ALL RIGHT. NOW, CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO THOSE PARTICULAR BLOOD SPATTERINGS, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR, HAVE YOU HAD PREVIOUS CONTACT WITH THAT TYPE OF BLOOD INDICATION?"
A:"YES, SIR, I HAVE."
Q:"ALL RIGHT. AND CALLING TO YOUR MIND THE VARIOUS MANNER IN WHICH A SPOT OF BLOOD CAN BE PLACED, AS INDICATED ON THOSE THREE EXHIBITS, HAVE YOU FORMED AN OPINION AS TO HOW THESE SPOTS OF BLOOD ARRIVED AT THE LOCATIONS THAT ARE EXHIBITED ON THE PEOPLE'S EXHIBITS?"
and:
Id. at page 54-55
Q:"ALL RIGHT, HAS YOUR TRAINING ALSO TAUGHT YOU THE VARIOUS MANNERS BY WHICH BLOOD CAN BE DEPOSITED AT PARTICULAR LOCATIONS?"
A:"YES."
Q:"AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE MANNERS?"
A:"WELL, WHEN YOU WERE [sic] TO STRIKE AN INDIVIDUAL, DEPENDING ON WHAT PORTION OF THE BODY AND WHAT WITH, DIRECTION AND WHAT FORCE THAT YOU'RE USING, IT COULD RESULT IN A SPATTERING OF BLOOD THAT WOULD FLY. DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF BLOW AND WEAPON USED WOULD DETERMINE THE DIRECTION AND THE VELOCITY AND THE VOLUME OF BLOOD THAT WOULD FLOW. YOU CAN LOOK AT A PARTICULAR SPOT OF BLOOD AND GET SOME INDICATION AS TO HOW FAR THAT BLOOD FLEW BEFORE IT HIT WHATEVER IT DID, THE AMOUNT OF FORCE THAT THAT BLOOD HIT WHATEVER OBJECT IT DID AND SPATTERED ON, AND YOU GET A REASONABLY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT DIRECTION THAT BLOOD CAME FROM WHEN IT HIT ANY GIVEN TYPE OF SURFACE."
Q:"NOW, BASED ON YOUR BACKGROUND, TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE, WHEN YOU VIEWED THE SPATTERINGS THAT APPEAR IN THE PEOPLE'S EXHIBITS BEFORE YOU, EXHIBITS 6, 7 AND 8, DID YOU FORM AN OPINION AS TO HOW THOSE SPATTERINGS ARRIVED AT THEIR LOCATIONS?"
A:"IN MY OPINION IT'S --"
MR. RILEY:"SAME OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR; NO FOUNDATION, NOT SUFFICIENT FOUNDATION."
THE COURT:"OVERRULED."
THE WITNESS:"MY OPINION IS THAT THIS SHIRT WAS BEING WORN BY SOMEONE THAT STRUCK SOMEBODY, CAUSING BLOOD TO SPATTER IN THE DIRECTION OF THE CLOTHING AND BEING PICKED UP BY THE CLOTHING AS IT SPATTERED. BASED ON THE BLOOD ON THIS PARTICULAR SHIRT, I WOULD HAVE THE INDICATION THAT HE WAS PROBABLY STANDING OVER SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THE AREAS ON THE SHIRT THAT IT'S ON.";
and:
Id. at page 55-56
Q BY MR. TRAPP:"I CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO PEOPLE'S [Exhibit] 9 MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION. DID YOU CAUSE AN ANALYSIS TO BE DONE OF THE TROUSERS THAT WERE WORN BY THE MINOR AT THE TIME --"
A:"YES, SIR, I DID."
Q:"YOU ARRESTED HIM?"
A:"YES, SIR, I DID."
Q:"ALL RIGHT. AND THE SMALL WHITE PAPER MARKS, WHICH APPEAR THEREON, ARE THOSE LOCATIONS OF BLOOD SPATTERINGS THAT WERE DISCOVERED BY THE LAB?"
A:"YES, SIR, THEY ARE."
Q:"WERE YOU -- DID YOU EXAMINE THOSE BLOOD SPATTERINGS?";
and:
Id. at page 56-57
Q BY MR. TRAPP:"AFTER YOU EXAMINED THE BLOOD SPATTERINGS ON THE TROUSERS, DID YOU FORM AN OPINION AS TO HOW THE BLOOD SPATTERINGS ARRIVED ON THE TROUSERS?"
A:"AGAIN--"
MR. RILEY:"SAME OBJECTION."
THE COURT:"OVERRULED."
THE WITNESS:"AGAIN, I FORMED THE OPINION THAT THESE -- THIS PARTICULAR GARMENT WAS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY WITH SOMEBODY THAT WAS STRUCK WITH AN OBJECT CAUSING THE BLOOD TO SPATTER AND WITH THE BLOOD HITTING THIS PARTICULAR GARMENT." Q
BY MR. TRAPP:"CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SPATTERINGS THAT APPEAR ON 6, 7, 8 AND 9, AND FURTHER CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TYPE OF SMEAR OR BLOOD SPOT THAT MIGHT RESULT FROM CRADLING OF A BLEEDING PERSON, WOULD YOU INDICATE TO THE COURT WHAT THE DIFFERENCE MIGHT BE IN THOSE BLOOD SPOTS?"
A:"THE SPOTS THAT APPEAR ON THESE PARTICULAR SHIRTS WOULD INDICATE TO ME THAT THEY WERE -- HAD FLOWN THROUGH THE AIR FOR X NUMBER OF FEET OR SO AND HIT THIS GARMENT. IF I WAS TO GO UP AND TO TOUCH SOMEONE THAT WAS BLEEDING SEVERELY, FIRST OF ALL I WOULD HAVE A LARGE QUANTITY OF BLOOD PRESENT AND YOU WOULD HAVE A -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE THIS -- A SMEARING EFFECT MORE THAN A CIRCULAR, UNIFORMLY SHAPED SPOT ON A GARMENT."
Q:"AND THE CIRCULAR, UNIFORMLY SHAPED SPOT, IS THAT WHAT WAS FOUND -- THE SPOTS TO BE ON 6, 7, 8 AND 9?"
A:"YES, SIR, THAT WAS THE INDICATION FROM THE LAB." [emphasis added]

I was present at all times in the courtroom when this testimony was given, and thus heard: 1) What a 'spatter' and 'blood spot' are; 2) What types of forces/actions cause spatters and blood spots; 3) The fact that police claimed to have found blood spatters on my T-shirt, outer shirt, pants and shoes; 4) The relative number of these alleged spots (assuming I had a view of the small tags police had attached to the clothing (I did have); and 5) That a large part of the police allegation rested on the allegedly inculpatory spots and spatters. When I was questioned by Hughes, these were all pertinent facts which flowed freely from my naive lips into the ears of the liar.

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593.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927) Trial
November 4, 1985 – Page 417-418
A:"THERE WAS SOME BLOOD ON THE FLOOR. WHETHER YOU WOULD CHARACTERIZE THEM AS POOLS, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY POOL."
Q:"HOW LARGE WERE THEY?"
A:"THEY WERE SMALL AREAS. I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT DIMENSIONS."
Q:"CAN YOU GIVE ME AN APPROXIMATION? WERE THEY AS BIG AS A QUARTER OR AS BIG AS A NICKEL?"
A:"I COULDN'T TELL YOU. I CAN TELL YOU THERE WAS BLOOD ON THE FLOOR. I WOULDN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU THAT."
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600.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Trial
November 4, 1985 – Page 450
Q:"DID HE SAY WHAT PORTION OF HIS MOTHER'S BODY HE HAD HUGGED?"
A:"SPECIFICALLY, NO" ...
Q:"DID HE TELL YOU THAT HE PICKED UP HIS MOTHER'S HEAD? ..."
A:"NO."
Q:"DID HE TELL YOU THAT HE PICKED UP HIS MOTHER'S SHOULDERS?"
A:"NO."
Q:"DID HE TELL YOU THAT HE HAD HIS MOTHER'S HEAD AND NECK PLACED IN HIS ARMS?"
A:"NO."
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603.
Testimony of LAPD detective Andrew R. Monsue (No. 20927)
Dennis H./William M. Juvenile Detention Hearing
April 4, 1983 – Page 42
Q:"ALL RIGHT, DID HE TELL YOU HOW HE WENT ABOUT HOLDING HER?"
A:"HE DIDN'T - HE JUST SAID 'HOLD HER,' AND HE INDICATED HE REACHED FOR HER AS WE TALKED."
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660.
Lisker/Monsue Interrogation
March 10, 1983 – Page 10
MONSUE:"DID YOU EVER TOUCH HER?"
LISKER:"WHAT DO YOU MEAN?"
MONSUE:"DID YOU ACTUALLY TOUCH HER OR ..."
LISKER:"YEAH, I WAS HUGGING, HOLDING HER."
MONSUE:"OK."
LISKER:"I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO GET ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, ON MY BODY. BUT THEY THINK I DID IT OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I WAS HUGGING HER, JUST HUGGING, SAYING MOM, IT'S GOING TO BE OK, I LOVE YOU. IF I DON'T GET A CHANCE TO SAY ANYMORE, I'LL ALWAYS LOVED YOU AND I KNOW YOU HAVE ALWAYS LOVED ME."
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